Update Post-History

Clarify that bare `ReadOnly` is not allowed, and add that to rejected ideas
Specify that `type[Protocol]` does not inherit the protocol's attributes
Close issue: "Extending Initialization"
Bikeshed on some wording
Use my real name

Author: Enegg

peps/pep-0767.rst

@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 PEP: 767
 Title: Annotating Read-Only Attributes
-Author: Eneg <eneg at discuss.python.org>
+Author: Łukasz Modzelewski <eneg at discuss.python.org>
 Sponsor: Carl Meyer <carl@oddbird.net>
 Discussions-To: https://discuss.python.org/t/pep-767-annotating-read-only-attributes/73408
 Status: Draft
@@ -9,6 +9,7 @@ Topic: Typing
 Created: 18-Nov-2024
 Python-Version: 3.15
 Post-History: `09-Oct-2024 <https://discuss.python.org/t/expanding-readonly-to-normal-classes-protocols/67359>`__
+              `05-Dec-2024 <https://discuss.python.org/t/pep-767-annotating-read-only-attributes/73408>`__
 
 
 Abstract
@@ -58,7 +59,7 @@ Today, there are three major ways of achieving read-only attributes, honored by
   - Overriding ``number`` is not possible - the specification of ``Final``
     imposes that the name cannot be overridden in subclasses.
 
-* read-only proxy via ``@property``::
+* marking the attribute "_internal", and exposing it via read-only ``@property``::
 
     class Foo:
         _number: int
@@ -70,7 +71,7 @@ Today, there are three major ways of achieving read-only attributes, honored by
         def number(self) -> int:
             return self._number
 
-  - Overriding ``number`` is possible. *Type checkers disagree about the specific rules*. [#overriding_property]_
+  - Overriding ``number`` is possible, but limited to using ``@property``. [#overriding_property]_
   - Read-only at runtime. [#runtime]_
   - Requires extra boilerplate.
   - Supported by :mod:`dataclasses`, but does not compose well - the synthesized
@@ -90,8 +91,7 @@ Today, there are three major ways of achieving read-only attributes, honored by
   - Read-only at runtime. [#runtime]_
   - No per-attribute control - these mechanisms apply to the whole class.
   - Frozen dataclasses incur some runtime overhead.
-  - ``NamedTuple`` is still a ``tuple``. Most classes do not need to inherit
-    indexing, iteration, or concatenation.
+  - Most classes do not need indexing, iteration, or concatenation, inherited from ``NamedTuple``.
 
 .. _protocols:
 
@@ -123,8 +123,10 @@ This syntax has several drawbacks:
 * It is somewhat verbose.
 * It is not obvious that the quality conveyed here is the read-only character of a property.
 * It is not composable with :external+typing:term:`type qualifiers <type qualifier>`.
-* Not all type checkers agree [#property_in_protocol]_ that all of the above five
-  objects are assignable to this structural type.
+* Currently, Pyright disagrees that some of the above five objects
+  are assignable to this structural type.
+  `[Pyright] <https://pyright-play.net/?pyrightVersion=1.1.404&pythonVersion=3.13&strict=true&code=GYJw9gtgBAhgRgYygSwgBzCALrOBnLEGBLCAUywAswATAKFEimAFcA7EsMAGzxXUw4ExSmRoB9NODRlsATwbhoWOWmRsA5vwzYoAYW4w8eAGowQAGigAFcFjAIeV4Opjc6HhIeNQAEkYAxLgAKWzB7R24ASgAuOigEqAABKTAZeXjEpPgCIhJyKlpMhJoyYGYQvDJuYCioAFoAPhQ2LBioADoujzoAYlhjZA02eGRuZBUeryM%2BILAAQSxCZDgWLDI4xIqwdvUsT29ZrjD0lU2s1NOFLdLy4Erq2obmvfaQChYQNigABgOZqBzAwzMwgc4Je47fSHUEAbT2AF0oABeX7-HxzAAiZDwCBAyDQ9jBxWSwgQogkl1kkxuZW2wSqNTqTRabSg7ywn2%2Bfzo0wxx2k1LkejAADdzMgYK1wckqRlaXcHkznlA4FxuG8Pl9AW4quijmAAJJscXjGgyyHtXL6qAAOTAcxlcHMVsIPTAcAAVu1-Hg5nQPZ6UYCuItlqt1sE6lB%2BmAANYBr3BuYnIVRxKxhOB5NcYHGUFbGNQeOJoOooEw8zphKZ0s5sDY3H4wmYdO17PlgVpIUi8X4qVYNvFrNJztGk1uZA0as1qCyEB11H2uYzwtF%2BeLu1gNhkNdr-objwHgAeaHGCAm2ncNrmYfxEbIhvQ3GCvrmsRJltZN67VyfZ9fQIuA-LYUkFeVEluelGSeFlXnZLVuR-MA81Mcx-xfN9gItLh2lQuFEWDHk%2BQNRs8QJIkMMAv1sJJJIyQpSRwJpSC6UhBlHmZF5pQQzltWIw4QzAVN5F7CUByorCwBAi5mOuVjFTADjlRZNUeE1PjvgCXUyGQ41TSnSSgOknCoWtOgkhcEZ3BIrc5iMmiTJJZ0wSga0gA>`_
+  `[mypy] <https://mypy-play.net/?mypy=1.17.1&python=3.13&flags=strict&gist=12d556bb6ef4a9a49ff4ed4776604750>`_
 
 Rationale
 =========
@@ -155,7 +157,7 @@ A class with a read-only instance attribute can now be defined as::
         return f"Hello, {obj.name}!"
 
 * A subclass of ``Member`` can redefine ``.id`` as a writable attribute or a
-  :term:`descriptor`. It can also :external+typing:term:`narrow` the type.
+  :term:`descriptor`. It can also :external+typing:term:`narrow` its type.
 * The ``HasName`` protocol has a more succinct definition, and is agnostic
   to the writability of the attribute.
 * The ``greet`` function can now accept a wide variety of compatible objects,
@@ -167,7 +169,7 @@ Specification
 
 The :external+py3.13:data:`typing.ReadOnly` :external+typing:term:`type qualifier`
 becomes a valid annotation for :term:`attributes <attribute>` of classes and protocols.
-It can be used at class-level or within ``__init__`` to mark individual attributes read-only::
+It can be used at class-level and within ``__init__`` to mark individual attributes read-only::
 
     class Book:
         id: ReadOnly[int]
@@ -176,6 +178,7 @@ It can be used at class-level or within ``__init__`` to mark individual attribut
             self.id = id
             self.name: ReadOnly[str] = name
 
+Use of bare ``ReadOnly`` (without ``[<type>]``) is not allowed.
 Type checkers should error on any attempt to reassign or ``del``\ ete an attribute
 annotated with ``ReadOnly``.
 Type checkers should also error on any attempt to delete an attribute annotated as ``Final``.
@@ -248,16 +251,16 @@ with ``ReadOnly`` is redundant, but it should not be seen as an error:
 Initialization
 --------------
 
-Assignment to a read-only attribute can only occur in the class declaring the attribute.
+Assignment to a read-only attribute can only occur in the class declaring the attribute,
+at sites described below.
 There is no restriction to how many times the attribute can be assigned to.
-Depending on the kind of the attribute, they can be assigned to at different sites:
 
 Instance Attributes
 '''''''''''''''''''
 
-Assignment to an instance attribute must be allowed in the following contexts:
+Assignment to a read-only instance attribute must be allowed in the following contexts:
 
-* In ``__init__``, on the instance received as the first parameter (likely, ``self``).
+* In ``__init__``, on the instance received as the first parameter (usually, ``self``).
 * In ``__new__``, on instances of the declaring class created via a call
   to a super-class' ``__new__`` method.
 * At declaration in the body of the class.
@@ -340,7 +343,7 @@ Read-only class attributes are attributes annotated as both ``ReadOnly`` and ``C
 Assignment to such attributes must be allowed in the following contexts:
 
 * At declaration in the body of the class.
-* In ``__init_subclass__``, on the class object received as the first parameter (likely, ``cls``).
+* In ``__init_subclass__``, on the class object received as the first parameter (usually, ``cls``).
 
 .. code-block:: python
 
@@ -365,8 +368,8 @@ default for instances:
                 self.number = number
 
 .. note::
-    This feature conflicts with :data:`~object.__slots__`. An attribute with
-    a class-level value cannot be included in slots, effectively making it a class variable.
+    This is possible only in classes without :data:`~object.__slots__`.
+    An attribute included in slots cannot have a class-level default.
 
 Type checkers may choose to warn on read-only attributes which could be left uninitialized
 after an instance is created (except in :external+typing:term:`stubs <stub>`,
@@ -464,8 +467,9 @@ This has a few subtyping implications. Borrowing from :pep:`705#inheritance`:
         def pprint(self) -> None:
             print(self.foo, self.bar, self.baz)
 
-* In a protocol attribute declaration, ``name: ReadOnly[T]`` indicates that a structural
-  subtype must support ``.name`` access, and the returned value is assignable to ``T``::
+* In a protocol attribute declaration, ``name: ReadOnly[T]`` indicates that values
+  that inhabit the protocol must support ``.name`` access, and the returned value
+  is assignable to ``T``::
 
     class HasName(Protocol):
         name: ReadOnly[str]
@@ -493,6 +497,14 @@ This has a few subtyping implications. Borrowing from :pep:`705#inheritance`:
     has_name = NamedClassVar()
     has_name = NamedDescriptor()
 
+  Type checkers should not assume that access to a protocol's read-only attributes
+  is supported by the protocol's type (``type[HasName]``).
+
+  Accurately modeling the behavior and type of ``type[HasName].name`` is difficult,
+  therefore it was left out from this PEP to reduce its complexity;
+  future enhancements to the typing specification may refine this behavior.
+
+
 Interaction with Other Type Qualifiers
 --------------------------------------
 
@@ -596,50 +608,34 @@ since to allow assignment in ``__new__`` and classmethods under a set of rules
 described in the :ref:`init` section.
 
 
-Open Issues
-===========
+Allowing Bare ``ReadOnly`` With Initializing Value
+--------------------------------------------------
 
-Extending Initialization
-------------------------
+An earlier version of this PEP allowed the use of bare ``ReadOnly`` when the attribute
+being annotated had an initializing value. The type of the attribute was supposed
+to be determined by type checkers using their usual type inference rules.
 
-Mechanisms such as :func:`dataclasses.__post_init__` or attrs' `initialization hooks <https://www.attrs.org/en/stable/init.html#hooking-yourself-into-initialization>`_
-augment object creation by providing a set of special hooks which are called
-during initialization.
+`This thread <https://github.com/python/peps/pull/4127#discussion_r1849261608>`_
+surfaced a few non-trivial issues with this feature, like undesirable inference
+of ``Literal[...]`` from literal values, differences in type checker inference rules,
+or complexity of implementation due to class-level and ``__init__``-level assignments.
+We decided to always require a type for ``ReadOnly[...]``, as *explicit is better than implicit*.
 
-The current initialization rules defined in this PEP disallow assignment to
-read-only attributes in such methods. It is unclear whether the rules could be
-satisfyingly shaped in a way that is inclusive of those 3rd party hooks, while
-upkeeping the invariants associated with the read-only-ness of those attributes.
-
-The Python type system has a long and detailed `specification <https://typing.python.org/en/latest/spec/constructors.html>`_
-regarding the behavior of ``__new__`` and ``__init__``. It is rather unfeasible
-to expect the same level of detail from 3rd party hooks.
-
-A potential solution would involve type checkers providing configuration in this
-regard, requiring end users to manually specify a set of methods they wish
-to allow initialization in. This however could easily result in users mistakenly
-or purposefully breaking the aforementioned invariants. It is also a fairly
-big ask for a relatively niche feature.
 
 Footnotes
 =========
 
 .. [#overriding_property]
     Pyright in strict mode disallows non-property overrides.
-    Mypy does not impose this restriction and allows an override with a plain attribute.
+    Mypy permits an override with a plain attribute.
+    Non-property overrides are technically unsafe, as they may break class-level ``Foo.number`` access.
     `[Pyright playground] <https://pyright-play.net/?strict=true&code=MYGwhgzhAEBiD28BcBYAUNT0D6A7ArgLYBGApgE5LQCWuALuultACakBmO2t1d22ACgikQ7ADTQCJClVp0AlNAC0APmgA5eLlKoMzLMNEA6PETLloAXklmKjPZgACAB3LxnFOgE8mWNpylzIRF2RVUael19LHJSOnxyXGhDdhNAuzR7UEgYACEwcgEEeHkorHTKCIY0IA>`_
     `[mypy playground] <https://mypy-play.net/?mypy=latest&python=3.12&flags=strict&gist=6f860a865c5d13cce07d6cbb08b9fb85>`_
 
 .. [#runtime]
     This PEP focuses solely on the type-checking behavior. Nevertheless, it should
     be desirable the name is read-only at runtime.
 
-.. [#property_in_protocol]
-    Pyright disallows class variable and non-property descriptor overrides.
-    `[Pyright] <https://pyright-play.net/?pyrightVersion=1.1.389&pythonVersion=3.13&strict=true&code=GYJw9gtgBAhgRgYygSwgBzCALrOBnLEGBLCAUywAswATAKFEimAFcA7EsMAGzxXUw4ExSmRoB9NODRlsATwbhoWOWmRsA5vwzYoAYW4w8eAGowQAGigAFcFjAIeV4Opjc6HhIeNQAEkYAxLgAKWzB7R24ASgAuOigEqAABKTAZeXjEpPgCIhJyKlpMhJoyYGYQvDJuYCioAFoAPhQ2LBioADoujzoAYlhjZA02eGRuZBUeryM%2BILAAQSxCZDgWLDI4xIqwdvUsT29ZrjD0lU2s1NOFLdLy4Erq2obmvfaQChYQNigABgOZqBzAwzMwgc4Je47fSHUEAbT2AF0oABeX7-HxzAAiZDwCBAyDQ9jBxWSwgQogkl1kkxuZW2wSqNTqTRabSg7ywn2%2Bfzo0wxx2k1LkejAADdzMgYK1wckqRlaXcHkznlA4FxuG8Pl9AW4quijmAAJJscXjGgyyHtXL6qAAOTAcxlcHMVsIPTAcAAVu1-Hg5nQPZ6UYCuItlqt1sE6lB%2BmAANYBr3BuYnIVRxKxhOB5NcYHGUFbGNQeOJoOooEw8zphKZ0s5sDY3H4wmYdO17PlgVpIUi8X4qVYNvFrNJztGk1uZA0as1qCyEB11H2uYzwtF%2BeLu1gNhkNdr-objwHgAeaHGCAm2ncNrmYfxEbIhvQ3GCvrmsRJltZN67VyfZ9fQIuA-LYUkFeVEluelGSeFlXnZLVuR-MA81Mcx-xfN9gItLh2lQuFEWDHk%2BQNRs8QJIkMMAv1sJJJIyQpSRwJpSC6UhBlHmZF5pQQzltWIw4QzAVN5F7CUByorCwBAi5mOuVjFTADjlRZNUeE1PjvgCXUyGQ41TSnSSgOknCoWtOgkhcEZ3BIrc5iMmiTJJZ0wSga0gA>`_
-    `[mypy] <https://mypy-play.net/?mypy=1.13.0&python=3.12&flags=strict&gist=12d556bb6ef4a9a49ff4ed4776604750>`_
-    `[Pyre] <https://pyre-check.org/play/?input=%23%20pyre-strict%0Afrom%20abc%20import%20abstractmethod%0Afrom%20functools%20import%20cached_property%0Afrom%20typing%20import%20ClassVar%2C%20Protocol%2C%20final%0A%0A%0Aclass%20HasFoo(Protocol)%3A%0A%20%20%20%20%40property%0A%20%20%20%20%40abstractmethod%0A%20%20%20%20def%20foo(self)%20-%3E%20int%3A%20...%0A%0A%0A%23%20assignability%0A%0A%0Aclass%20FooAttribute%3A%0A%20%20%20%20foo%3A%20int%0A%0Aclass%20FooProperty%3A%0A%20%20%20%20%40property%0A%20%20%20%20def%20foo(self)%20-%3E%20int%3A%20return%200%0A%0Aclass%20FooClassVar%3A%0A%20%20%20%20foo%3A%20ClassVar%5Bint%5D%20%3D%200%0A%0Aclass%20FooDescriptor%3A%0A%20%20%20%20%40cached_property%0A%20%20%20%20def%20foo(self)%20-%3E%20int%3A%20return%200%0A%0Aclass%20FooPropertyCovariant%3A%0A%20%20%20%20%40property%0A%20%20%20%20def%20foo(self)%20-%3E%20bool%3A%20return%20False%0A%0Aclass%20FooInvalid%3A%0A%20%20%20%20foo%3A%20str%0A%0Aclass%20NoFoo%3A%0A%20%20%20%20bar%3A%20str%0A%0A%0Aobj%3A%20HasFoo%0Aobj%20%3D%20FooAttribute()%20%20%23%20ok%0Aobj%20%3D%20FooProperty()%20%20%20%23%20ok%0Aobj%20%3D%20FooClassVar%20%20%20%20%20%23%20ok%0Aobj%20%3D%20FooClassVar()%20%20%20%23%20ok%0Aobj%20%3D%20FooDescriptor()%20%23%20ok%0Aobj%20%3D%20FooPropertyCovariant()%20%23%20ok%0Aobj%20%3D%20FooInvalid()%20%20%20%20%23%20err%0Aobj%20%3D%20NoFoo()%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%23%20err%0Aobj%20%3D%20None%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%23%20err%0A%0A%0A%23%20explicit%20impl%0A%0A%0Aclass%20FooAttributeImpl(HasFoo)%3A%0A%20%20%20%20foo%3A%20int%0A%0Aclass%20FooPropertyImpl(HasFoo)%3A%0A%20%20%20%20%40property%0A%20%20%20%20def%20foo(self)%20-%3E%20int%3A%20return%200%0A%0Aclass%20FooClassVarImpl(HasFoo)%3A%0A%20%20%20%20foo%3A%20ClassVar%5Bint%5D%20%3D%200%0A%0Aclass%20FooDescriptorImpl(HasFoo)%3A%0A%20%20%20%20%40cached_property%0A%20%20%20%20def%20foo(self)%20-%3E%20int%3A%20return%200%0A%0Aclass%20FooPropertyCovariantImpl(HasFoo)%3A%0A%20%20%20%20%40property%0A%20%20%20%20def%20foo(self)%20-%3E%20bool%3A%20return%20False%0A%0Aclass%20FooInvalidImpl(HasFoo)%3A%0A%20%20%20%20foo%3A%20str%0A%0A%40final%0Aclass%20NoFooImpl(HasFoo)%3A%0A%20%20%20%20bar%3A%20str%0A>`_
-
 .. [#final_mutability]
     As noted above the second-to-last code example of https://typing.python.org/en/latest/spec/qualifiers.html#semantics-and-examples