"Connect your Solid Pod" fails

[ludwa6]

Dunno if you remember, @bourgeoa , but that problem we worked through last year is back again (error msg appended below), whenever i push the "Connect your Solid Pod" button, whether from my own TiddlyWiki instance (on desktop) our yours at https://bourgeoa.solidcommunity.net/public/tiddlywiki/ . Am logged-in to my Solid Pod (refarmer.inrupt.net), so i don't know what the issue might be. My browser is latest Chrome (Version 89.0.4389.90 (Official Build) (x86_64)) on Mac OS 10.13.6 (High Sierra).

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Internal JavaScript Error
Well, this is embarrassing. It is recommended that you restart TiddlyWiki by refreshing your browser
Uncaught TypeError: this.showChooseOrSignIn is not a function

[bourgeoa]

could you try https://bourgeoa.solidcommunity.net:8443/public/tiddlywiki/

[ludwa6]

https://bourgeoa.solidcommunity.net:8443/public/tiddlywiki/

At this address, too -again, i get this:

Internal JavaScript Error
Well, this is embarrassing. It is recommended that you restart TiddlyWiki by refreshing your browser
Uncaught TypeError: this.showChooseOrSignIn is not a function

[bourgeoa]

This is very strange. For me everything is ok.
I was able to connect with windows, Linux, Android.

I was able to connect to your tiddlers with no problem. I suppose you leave access to public.

[bourgeoa]

I was not able to create in your pod.
You did not add https://bourgeoa.solidcommunity.net:8443 as origin in preferences.

Could this be your problem.

[ludwa6]

I just checked, @bourgeoa : the old URL (without the :8443 suffix) was there, but w/ all options deselected; now i have added the new URL, and given the following permissions:

• Access Modes: Read & Write & Append
• Actions : Update & Delete

Still: When on your Solid-enabled wiki i click the "Connect your Solid Pod" button, i get the same error message.

[ludwa6]

Update: some progress... Though i could not make connection via neither Chrome nor Safari, it appears to be working in Firefox. That is to say: connection worked without any error message, and i was able to edit the wiki.
However: i'm not finding it under "apps" in my Public folder, nor in "Apps" subfolder, nor any other.
Must admit: i'm a complete n00b to Solid, and finding the UI pretty strange to navigate, so i may well be missing it.
Any pointer(s) would be most appreciated!
/walt

[ludwa6]

Update2: ahh, i see... I was looking for an entire wiki, but what i should have been looking for is new tiddlers to appear under ./public/tiddlers/main/ . Therein, i see new tiddlers i have just created. Cool!
Now: Proceeding to test the plugin in a TW instance on my desktop.

[ludwa6]

I have installed the plugin on my desktop wiki. Interesting behavior: it appears to connect to my solid pod at inrupt, but then if i make an edit and save, it loses its reported connection.

[bourgeoa]

Did you add your wiki origin to your pod ?

[ludwa6]

Did you add your wiki origin to your pod ?

Mmm...No; as it is a desktop wiki, it has no fixed domain or IP address. Would it need that to qualify as Origin? If so, i could put the wiki online -there are several options for this- but that would sort of defeat the purpose, as i was hoping to use Solid for online storage of my own wikis/tiddlers -some public and even some private, ideally. Is this a UseCase the plugin is intended to enable?

[bourgeoa]

The purpose of the plugin is to store in a solid pod as linked data the tiddlers created by a tiddlywiki that is online. It can be anywhere. In my pod in your pod in any web server.

I am not a tiddlywiki user. For me it was a demo use case.

The plugin do not migrate data.
Why are you not storing tiddlywiki directly online on your pod ?

[ludwa6]

The purpose of the plugin is to store in a solid pod as linked data the tiddlers created by a tiddlywiki that is online. It can be anywhere. In my pod in your pod in any web server.

Thanks for clarifying that, @bourgeoa; it helps to know the Design Goal & Scope of application.

Why are you not storing tiddlywiki directly online on your pod ?

Good question -which i must answer by saying: i don't quite know how to do it!

For me, TW has always been a single html file sitting on my desktop -until this recent crop of online hosted solutions i am currently evaluating: (a) TiddlyHost.com; (b) Tiddlywiki.Fission.app; and now (c) your Tiddlywiki-node-solid-server -3 quite different solutions to the TW-online problem space, each of which is best suited to certain UseCase(s), and i'm still trying to figure out which is best for what.

The first two are single file solutions (or at least feel that way; what's going on w/ the code, i don't know), which makes them easier to work with as an end-user. This latter solution of yours, being based on node.js, seems like it might be the best fit for working with individual tiddlers, and allocating permissions on such granular basis -which is essentially what has drawn me to Solid in the first place- but i don't yet understand the tech well enough to use it like that.

I guess the first thing i need to understand is: how do i get a new wiki started in my PODS space, so i can install your plugin and start working with it? In my ./public/apps folder at Inrupt.net, i've got one called "My TiddlyWiki" (the default), which does appear to have your plugin installed, because it keeps asking me to "Connect your Solid Pod" -But in fact clicking that button does nothing, the prompt will not go away, and i cannot save any edits to this wiki, so...

Any pointers as to how i might get this working would be most appreciated!

[bourgeoa]

I went to your https://refarmer.solidcommunity.net/public/ where I only have the default Read access to public/

It seems that you have 2 folders mvwiki/ and testwiki/ containing a tiddlywiki app called index.html
These are old and you should delete them : they are not functional anymore.

• The delete process is not very intuitive for index.html apps.
  You must use a folder/file IDE manager like : solid-ide https://jeff-zucker.github.io/solid-ide . There are others
  There you can delete the index.html or the folder mvwiki/ and testwiki/ recursively

• Then you can recreate a folder for ex: tiddlywiki/

• To import the index.html app you can use the upload from the solid-ide menu, or drag and drop the index.html file from your desktop to the green + button in the tiddlywiki/ container in your pod. (It takes some time to upload)

After that you have your own app in your pod

Hope it helps. Do not hesitate to question

[bourgeoa]

@ludwa6
To run as a desktop wiki, you can try to use npm serve
It will run from your desktop and you will be able to connect to your pod
You need to have node.js

• create a folder containing tiddlywiki index.html
• in that folder run : npx serve it will show you the address, in my case http://localhost:5000
• in your browser goto : the address , for example : http://localhost:5000

[ludwa6]

Thanks Alain: You've given me a couple of good things to try here, which i will do as work (i.e. "dayjob" :-) schedule permits. Busy week, may not make much headway until weekend, but this is my #1 priority side project right now, so i should have progress to report soon!

/walt